How Much Time Do We Waste On This Crap?

Okay gang, let's think this through.

How much time and energy do we spend dealing with the aggrieved among us?  Never before have so few caused so many so much drama.  How many diaries here deal with those who feel as though the party has "changed" or ignored them?  There sure as hell ain't 18 million of them.  I know exactly one person of this type in my real life.  Just one.  Oh, sure, I know a handful of Clinton supporters who are uneasy about Barack Obama (and that's fair, of course), but that's a million miles from the people of whom I speak.

Where could we better spend this time?  How could we better spend it?  Let's focus on growing the party.  Talk to people, especially the young, the ones you know who aren't plugged in, the ones who are switched off.  We can bring far more new voters in with this time we're wasting chasing after (or mocking) the handful who have made it agonizingly plain that they're too cool for the rest of us.

Every election cycle a small but noticeable minority of each party crosses over.  These folks are, apparently, this cycle's Dem crossovers.  Will they come back?  I have no idea.  There is an element of risk to anything we ever do.  However, Barack Obama has gotten this far by generating enthusiasm among new voters.  If there's ever a cycle in which to blow off the people holding you hostage, this is the time.

I'd rather have a beer with an honest opponent like one of my Republican friends (who are a minority among my friends, but they're there just the same) than any fellow "Democrat" who would spend the evening telling me how I'm a sexist, my candidate is a sexist, and my party is sexist because none of us see the world as he/she does.  I won't have a beer with someone who is threatening constantly to torpedo everything I hold dear (in politics and public life) because they're mad.  This is politics!  Sometimes you or your side will lose!

Give me an honest opponent over an irrational and drama-drowned "ally."

Gang, please, once the Veepitudinal joy we're experiencing is over, please, let's spend our time getting Democrats electing by ignoring those who mean us harm and instead focusing those precious seconds doing constructive activities.

The handful of which I speak are electorally insignificant.  I will stake whatever reputation I have on this.  We can persuade most of those who are unhappy, but the ones who've congregated on the internet are simply not looking to be reasonable.  They want, they want, they want, they want.  Let them want.  If they want to behave like children then we should simply ignore them.

They can't even get into the hundreds when they gather.  I ain't scared.  Let's move thousands, if not millions.  If the cost is a few hundred solipcistic maniacs, so be it.  I pay it gladly.

These people do not matter electorally.  They only matter in any sense at all if we give them a microphone, if we respond, if we act like there's enough of them to make a dime's bit of difference.  They get to vote.  They're citizens.  They can vote based on whatever deranged rationale they like.  I cherish our rights, and that covers people I consider batshit.  I honor the fact that they can spend their time trying to destroy their friends.  That's their right and that price comes with my freedom.  I can deal with that, too.

But I don't have to like them or associate with them.



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Tips? (2.00 / 6)

For canvassing?  For talking with people you know?  For growing the brand among the as yet uninvolved?  There's so much headroom, folks.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:08:17 AM EST

Re: Tips? (2.00 / 1)

Yes. Canvassing is the thing to do. I'm doing it next weekend.

These deadenders are a statistic in a political science textbook - nothing more - they're predictable. The only thing that's different is taht the internet gives them room to whine.


by Dale Johnson 007 on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:39:27 AM EST
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Re: How Much Time Do We Waste On This Crap? (2.00 / 1)

Yes!! When will we start focusing on the enemy?
McCain for most of us is a nightmare. The real maverick and straight talker is JOE BIDEN.
Those still wanting to second guess Obama and talk about the Clintons should move on. I personally wanted Clinton but as I say McCain is our enemy and the planet's. REC as usual
by canadian on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:21:40 AM EST

As a two time Edwards Caucus Chair.... (2.00 / 3)

I devoted time, effort and money during cold winters her in Iowa. And I was convinced that he was our best chance to win, plus loved his focus on the poor (man he has pissed me off). I had to get over it, twice.

To those who who haven't yet:
Forget move on, or get over it. GROW THE FUCK UP AND LETS WIN THIS DAMNED THING!


by IowaMike on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:43:08 AM EST

Re: How Much Time Do We Waste On This Crap? (2.00 / 3)

I don't think your attitude is much different from the campaigns, at least until recently. You don't have to waste any time trying to win the votes of the Democrats who have not come home to Obama. If you believe he can win a wide margin with just new voters then feel free to insult and drive out the old Democrats.

The selection of Biden, rather than someone more sympatico like Kaine, suggests that the campaign is no longer so convinced new, younger voters will provide enough of a margin. If that is the case, if the race is very close, then your attitude is deadly to Obama's chances, because Obama needs every vote he can get.

I would suggest that you get some Obama field training. I know his field people, I'm sure they will explain to you why it is so important to treat all people like they matter when representing the campaign.


by souvarine on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:45:35 AM EST

Re: How Much Time Do We (2.00 / 1)

I'm referring to a group that's as small as several hundred, no larger than a few thousand (single digits).

They don't matter enough to justify this level of work.  Diminishing returns and all that.  Why spend your man hours on so few people with so many other opportunities?  Especially when one considers the incredible hostility from these few people.

Look, there were people who absolutely hated FDR.  Those folks were mostly like him - rich as hell.  You think he lost a lot of sleep over them?


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:53:40 AM EST
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Re: How Much Time Do We (none / 0)

then why do you expend so much effort on the undefined "they" you hate so much? you and you buddies keep posting diaries calling "them" various names and bemoaning your fate when your are called on when you use your opinion as fact, so it seems you should be looking at where your other four fingers are pointing when you are pointing at everyone else as the cause of all evil.


by zerosumgame on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:03:10 AM EST
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Re: How Much Time Do We (2.00 / 1)

So I'm full of hate and I'm the source of evil?  Wow, I sound like Emperor Palpatine.  Sweet!

My closest friend was an ardent supporter of Senator Clinton.  Was that a problem then?  A little, sure.  Is it now?  No.  Water under the bridge.  

The "them" to which we refer constitute far less than one percentage point of those who voted for Senator Clinton (fewer, even, than the Republicans who voted for her as spoilers, with no intention of supporting her in the general).  These so-called PUMA's are a tiny group but they've hijacked so much of the progressive blogs.

I'm not the reason they're mad.  Obama's not the reason they're mad.  Hillary Clinton's not the reason they're mad.  As far as I can tell these happy few are mad because they've over-identified with a public figure and projected their own pain onto her.  Her pain, real or imagined, became their's.  You can't reason with that.  Literally, you can't reason with that.

As for hate?  I don't hate these people.  They aren't worth my hate.  They're hilarious.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:07:36 AM EST
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Re: How Much Time Do We (1.50 / 2)

the point was that you get what you give. if even once you and your cabal would give respect you would get some back too. but that seems beyond you. already today alone your friends have shouted racist at people, filled the rec list with mean-spirited and snarky diaries filled with insults, smears and accusations. and you are shocked, simply shocked when you get the same back. your type HR's statements of fact or just a different option or just not buying the spin, hell even questions for clarification if you find you can't answer. You and you buddies are not the arbiters of all that is good and holy, you are not the epitome of bloggers. Neither am I , but I don't pretend to be.

leave it to you to miss the point, again.


by zerosumgame on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:22:12 AM EST
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Re: How Much Time Do We (2.00 / 2)

This coming from a rampant ratings abuser and serial malcontent.


by Cincinnatus on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:27:31 AM EST
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Re: How Much Time Do We (1.00 / 3)

how many of my posts have you randomly HR'ed and TR'ed? you ignore abuse carried out by your buddies and then claim you are enforcing the rules on people who disagree with you on a policy or political point. You create your enemies then weep about how unfair it is that this is not an echo chamber with just your voice.


by zerosumgame on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:31:12 AM EST
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Re: How Much Time Do We (2.00 / 1)

I for one can say I have never randomly TR'd you.  I did once because you called somebody a liar repeatedly.  On the other hand, I have consistently mojo'd users who have received TR's from you for no other reason than you don't like them.  I have to guess because you never explain your TR's ( I guess there are too many to be spending time on explaining).  Seriously, do you not see that your entire post here could just as easily be turned completely around on you?  Glass house, much?


by bottl4 on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 09:31:17 AM EST
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Re: How Much Time Do We (2.00 / 3)

If I had a cabal, or was a member of one, I would know what the hell you're talking about.  I don't.

Your biggest problem, as far as I can tell, is your willingness to stereotype Obama supporters (or at least those online) as some kind of monolithic group that despises the sorts of people who supported Hillary Clinton.  That is, of course, absurd.

It's also pretty stupid.  Did it ever occur to you that Obama supporters had every bit the reason to be mad at Hillary Clinton that Clinton supporters had to be mad at Obama?

I can tell you exactly where I was the night of the South Carolina primary.  I read Bill's jackass remarks on my Blackberry that night without spin or propaganda.  I felt like I'd been punched in the gut by a close friend.  I'd supported Bill Clinton hardcore.

A lot of Clinton supporters treated us like children who didn't know how politics worked.  I was told to let the grown-ups handle it, nevermind the fact that I'm 28 and this ain't my first rodeo.  You want respect?  That's wonderful.  So do I.  So do we.  Don't re-write history.  Don't ignore the fact that we were the damned underdogs for pretty much all of 2007.  I'm pretty convinced that the bulk of Hillary's supporters who feel she was betrayed didn't tune in until just before Iowa and remain oblivious to the fact that she was the odds-on favorite for ages.

I hold no major grudges, but don't imagine for a second that we've behaved in a qualitatively different way than we were treated.  That speaks poorly of all Democrats, not just either group.  We need to move on and try to learn from this fiasco.  We owe one another better than we've both given and received.  That includes me and it includes you.  The better angels of my nature don't always win.  I'm not sure I've even seen yours.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:33:39 AM EST
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Re: How Much Time Do We (2.00 / 1)

I think you've fallen into the trap you're encouraging others to avoid.  How much time have wasted on ZSG just on this that could be better spent? ;)


by Dreorg on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 04:50:10 AM EST
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Re: How Much Time Do We (2.00 / 1)

It is a zero sum game, isn't it?  


by ReillyDiefenbach on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 09:42:40 AM EST
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Re: How Much Time Do We (none / 0)

yet you cannot bear to give any to anyone who does not march in lock-step with you. And all you seem able to do is scold and insult others and it simply shocks you when you get that attitude shown back to you. That is simply dishonest on your part.


by zerosumgame on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:46:07 PM EST
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Re: How Much Time Do We (none / 0)

No offense, you cant pin bull shite on some mythical Obama cabal. Ive been an Obama man for a year now, screw the idiots.


Because I wont trade humanity for patriotism!
by Drewid on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 03:04:58 AM EST
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Re: How Much Time Do We (2.00 / 1)

Cabal?  Sweet!  That means that I can now blame anything Larry Johnson says on you.  You know, cause it's a cabal.

ZSG, how can you spread rumors about Obama being foreign born and yet demand respect?  See how easy that is.


I'm voting for Saxby Chambliss!
by Jess81 on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 04:16:14 AM EST
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Re: How Much Time Do We (none / 0)

funny how you and your ilk already do. Even though I have never agreed with anything he has ever said, nor have I ever attacked BHO (attacking some rabid assholes who claim to support him is not attacking him) nor have I ever said I would vote for anyone else, no matter how often liars like yourself spread rumors and lie that I have (please produce one post where I have said any of those things) I will somehow survive more of your bullshit. the telling thing is when you make one of your rare true statements or points that needs to be made I actually up-rate you, when I make a true statement you down rate me. Guess who that reflects badly on? Look in a mirror for that answer.


by zerosumgame on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 12:46:28 PM EST
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Re: How Much Time Do We (none / 0)

"cabal"


Saxby Chambliss: Asshat
by mikeinsf on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 07:39:51 AM EST
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Re: How Much Time Do We (2.00 / 1)

And that's just the pro-Clinton posts. I am so very tired of the never-give-uppers claiming they were done dirt to but they were all perfect ladies (and gentlemen.)


by Christy1947 on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 03:06:38 PM EST
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Re: How Much Time Do We (2.00 / 2)

Well, yes, if you think posting on this blog, or any progressive blog for that matter, does anything to help Obama win votes then you are deluded. It is more likely that anything intemperate you say will be used by the other side to convince wavering voters that Obama supporters suck. Obama certainly doesn't look here for help, he has a much larger and more effective organizing site of his own.

Now if you are interested in arguing about the course of the campaign with many opinionated people, and with having your assumptions challenged, then posting on this blog and interacting with the handful of other posters may be rewarding. Less so if you are intent on converting people.


by souvarine on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:07:11 AM EST
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Re: How Much Time Do We (2.00 / 1)

I come here for inspiration and amusement.  Whatever gains I garner for my causes occur in the real world.  Don't mistake one for the other.

Frankly I think the problem for many of these folks was the fact that they couldn't well bifurcate the online forum from the real world.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:08:43 AM EST
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Tips for bifurcate (none / 0)

and solipsistic, too.  Most of your generation have the vocabulary of Frito Pendejo.


by ReillyDiefenbach on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 09:53:11 AM EST
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You can't make someone happy (2.00 / 2)

if they are determined to be pissed off.

Many of her "supporters" that will not back Obama that I know of usually won't for two reasons:

1. they don't like black people (this is a very lily white area where some people still feel comfortable saying that).
2. they have a deluded idea that if they can ensure that Obama loses, Hillary will be the automatic pick in 2012 (forgetting that if it is her supporters or because of Hillary directly saying that the repug is better than the dem is the reason he loses, she will be held accountable).

Its stupid, but when are pissed off people smart?


by IowaMike on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:19:36 AM EST
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My little brother (2.00 / 2)

is a field organizer for Obama in Virginia. They're main focus is to go to voters who voted Clinton and try to win them over by focusing on districts where Clinton won big.

He knocked on one door and the woman answered and, I kid you not, asked him to GROVEL at her feet and say Barack Obama wasn't worthy to wipe Bill Clinton's behind. He did it. I wouldn't have been so nice. That's why he's on the field and I'm in Italy.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:21:49 AM EST
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Ugh. She'll vote Republican anyways. (2.00 / 1)

Sorry, but the Independents out there are at least rational adults.

These No Deal types are just children.  


by Geekesque on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:29:18 AM EST
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That's what I told him (none / 0)

but he just gave in, didn't want her to go around talking about the young asshole Obama guy who "disrespected" her.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:33:14 AM EST
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Now she'll laugh about (none / 0)

the "Obamabot"  cult kid with no self respect. She won't be supporting us this fall.


by IowaMike on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:35:42 AM EST
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I'm more angry (2.00 / 1)

with the sense that "kids" don't deserve any kind of respect. Like my entire generation are just a bunch of lazy brats who think they know everything.

As if we're not the ones burying our friends after they get killed in Iraq. As if we're not the ones who have to turn down jobs because we can't afford the cost of living and are limited to jobs close enough to home. As if we're not the ones struggling to pay our way through college to get a job that pays $10 an hour. As if we're not the ones whose futures are threatened by damages to the environment.

I'm lucky. I got the opportunity to move to Rome, but even here I work crazy hours and live with my cousin in a room the size of a standard American bathroom...but I worked really hard to get to where I am, and so did my friends. Some of us went three days without sleep to write a paper or study for a final in college. Contrary to what appears to be the belief of some of these older folks, things were NOT just handed to us.

I don't know if it's jealousy that we had more opportunities than they had or what, but I'm getting really sick of this...and I picked this up long before these primaries, but I think it's at the core of the division.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:56:08 AM EST
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Hillary Clinton bore the freight of (2.00 / 1)

millions of women identifying her trials and triumphs with their own.  I've been around a long time, and I've never seen anything like the fervor of her partisans, some of whom still frequent this blog, looking for any chance they can get to denigrate Obama.  There was so much emotion bound up in this process that policy, such as voting to invade Iraq or to gut ethics reform, or threatening to obliterate Iran simply didn't matter.  It was payback time, and there's no way you can argue against that.  
   It's a good thing we've got a better candidate, one who has the patience and the wisdom to lead this country slowly and carefully in a new direction.
by ReillyDiefenbach on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 10:13:03 AM EST
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The old hag will talk some kind of (none / 0)

shit about us no matter what.  

A polite "fuck you" would have been appropriate.


by Geekesque on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:41:32 AM EST
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Re: My little brother (2.00 / 1)

Your little brother is a bigger man than I am, I wouldn't have the patience. I stick to the data crunching where I won't piss any real live voters off. And it sounds like that woman was an ass, but I hope he won her vote for Obama. Takes all kinds of voters to win an election.


by souvarine on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:42:27 AM EST
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McCain just ran an ad regarding the HRC/VP (2.00 / 1)

situation.  McCain is trying to push the "disrespect" narrative about her not being contacted or considered about the VP slot, whether that's true or not.  The Washington Post is reporting that it's a national ad buy.  Of course, Fox News is pushing it.  I thought McCain would use this angle, let's see how long he proceeds with it.

A little off topic but I didn't feel it was worth its own diary.


by Blazers Edge on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:10:21 AM EST

If I were McCain (2.00 / 1)

I'd play that angle.  He'd be an idiot not to.  Not much we can do about it, frankly.  If it's true that Hillary specifically asked not to be vetted unless she were the pick, well, there wasn't much Obama could do.  He spoke well of her, both by himself and with her by his side.  Her whole damned nuclear family has speaking slots at the convention.

There wasn't much more to offer.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:14:24 AM EST
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Pot...Kettle...Black (2.00 / 1)

How stupid is this country to buy that crap from the Emperor of Disrespecting Bill and Hillary.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:23:04 AM EST
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Sounds like the TalkLeft (none / 0)

frontpage.


by Geekesque on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:28:13 AM EST
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Re: How Much Time Do We Waste On This Crap? (2.00 / 2)

I, aint wasting time no more... sorry had to break into an Allman Bros song. Query though, dont you defeat your point by posting this diary?


Because I wont trade humanity for patriotism!
by Drewid on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:15:21 AM EST

No more time for the TalkLeft/No Deal (2.00 / 1)

crowd.

They've chosen their side.  We should respect that decision and treat them like the McCainiacs they are.

That means no more cajoling, no more arm-twisting, none of that.

Just treat them like Republicans.  


by Geekesque on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:27:18 AM EST

Re: No more time for the TalkLeft/No Deal (2.00 / 1)

It's sad, of course, but I can't say you're entirely off the mark.

They have every right to vote however they like.  I am not going to stop them.  There's no way to do it.  It's not right even to try.  This is their choice to make.

And I have my own choices to make.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:36:02 AM EST
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Re: How Much Time Do We Waste On This Crap? (2.00 / 2)

Yes, provide an outlet to experience first hand the sophistication of the Pug trolls that are roaming the Net. The Pugs have their teams out in full force. Here are their goals:

Provoke both pro and anti-Hillary sentiment. Frankly, you would be very hard pressed to describe anything more that Hillary could do that she already hasn't.

Do and say anything to make people think that there are millions of Clinton supporters - ever notice how no one ever mentions the supporters of other candidates? - who are not only being snubbed but actively insulted. A 3 AM text mail announcing Biden to insult Hillary? Not quite. It was the only time period - I got mine at 3:14 actually - that would have the least usage for the chosen carrier. Glad to see the Obama campaign isn't wasting money.

Count on people like you to write diaaries like this to generate great provocative talking points for the MSM, who will try to whip up interest by any means necessary

You couldn't think about anything else to post a diary about? How about the incredible speech that Biden gave today? Joe Biden's personal history?  How about what Chuck Hagel said? Or Hillary herself?

Rant about the blatant lies McCain is passing off in his campaign commercials. He's fought the drug companies? He's fought the insurance industry and the oil companies? He's a maverick? While people are watching these ads you're concern diarying about people who say they aren't voting for Obama? I get it. They aren't voting for Obama. They may change their minds. Please lay off the there, there kid lessons. They suck,they aren't helpful, and they're insulting. So there. Now go to bed.


by Jeter on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:52:33 AM EST

exactly. (2.00 / 3)

if some people spent more time, passion and energy on beating mccain than on clinton and her supporters (which at this point is moot) i daresay things might be a bit more fun round these parts.


"Democracy! Bah! When I hear that I reach for my feather Boa!" Allen Ginsberg
by canadian gal on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 03:04:55 AM EST
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Re: exactly. (none / 0)

My diary on that very topic got five topics, Canadian Gal.  Not my fault nobody here cares about that.

And I'm not beating on Hillary Clinton or on the overwhelming majority of her supporters at all.  Moreover, you know that.  I'm talking about a few hundred people.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 03:06:25 AM EST
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That's sad (2.00 / 2)

two years ago your diary would be on top of the rec list, maybe even front page...now all that appears here are diaries meant to start fights.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 04:03:35 AM EST
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Re: How Much Time Do We Waste On This Crap? (none / 0)

Sorry, my diary on that very topic got five comments.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 03:06:47 AM EST

Re: How Much Time Do We Waste On This Crap? (2.00 / 1)

They're here to waste our time and energy, and be a constant nuisance and distraction. However, their larger goal is to discourage and disillusion the casual reader, with the hope of depressing not only turnout in November but political activism in general.

If you're at all the type of person drawn to conflict and confrontation, please control yourself and do not get drawn into debate with the trolls at this site. They're laughing at you every time you post a response.


"This victory alone is not the change we seek -- it is only the chance for us to make that change." -- Nov. 4, 2008
by BobzCat on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 03:38:32 AM EST

Re: How Much Time Do We Waste On This Crap? (none / 0)

Yes, and I would add, no sense in writing a diary about it.


Because I wont trade humanity for patriotism!
by Drewid on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 04:01:37 AM EST
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Are you saying we can't (none / 0)

conTROLL ourselves?


by ReillyDiefenbach on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 10:21:21 AM EST
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Re: How Much Time Do We Waste On This Crap? (none / 0)

well said


Saxby Chambliss: Asshat
by mikeinsf on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 07:38:19 AM EST

Re: How Much Time Do We Waste On This Crap? (2.00 / 2)

This diary reminds me a good deal of a letter to the editor I read once from a woman who lived in Orange County, CA, who didn't see how the Republicans could lose because she didn't know a single Democrat.  This was in 2006.

I know at least 20 people who are very unhappy this electoral cycle.  Because I am 61, my friends tend to range from their forties on up.  I am betting that that's just why you don't know any people in this demographic.

And if you meet any, I doubt that they will become your friends, given your attitude toward them.

However, if you go canvassing or call on the phone, you will meet many people in this age group.  For one thing, they are a group that tends to have land line phones and listed numbers.  And the shutins and the retired are at home during the day.

So to help preserve your sanity, I suggest you read demoinesdem's totally excellent diary on how to canvass for Obama among these people:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/9/2 04346/8388

And recall, there is more than one way to measure success:

1.  If you convince such a person to go and vote the downticket, and vote third party for President (or leave blank as a protest vote)  rather than going to vote for McCain, that's a plus.

2.  If you convince such a person to stay home and not vote for McCain, that's a plus, especially if they are talking about voting Republican on the downticket.

3.  And if you convince such a person to vote for Obama, that's a double plus.

But really, do read desmoinesdem's diary.  

And if you don't feel you can be polite to people who are not all enthused about Obama, don't volunteer to canvass or phone.  Contribute by donating, by stuffing envelopes, by updating the contribution database, by putting up signs.


"There are two kinds of statistics: the kind you look up and the kind you make up" --Rex Stout
by LIsoundview on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 07:47:24 AM EST

My brother's doing it (none / 0)

canvassing Virginia for Obama. You can't ask for a nicer guy than my brother. The kid doesn't have a disrespectful bone in his body, he's a pussycat.

He called me upset yesterday saying his canvassing had turned bad because one Clinton supporter, an older woman, spit in his face and another told him he must grovel at her feet and admit Obama isn't worthy to wipe Bill and Hillary's asses. A less demure person than my brother, like me, probably would've...let's say...not said nice things.

The vitrol and the disgusting remarks don't all start on one side. There are plenty on the other side just aching to keep the fight going.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 02:03:41 PM EST
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Re: My brother's doing it (none / 0)

There are nasty people everywhere, of every political stripe.  However, the ones successfully convincing people to vote for their candidate are the ones like your brother.  May more of our canvassers be like him.


"There are two kinds of statistics: the kind you look up and the kind you make up" --Rex Stout
by LIsoundview on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 07:54:44 PM EST
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Re: How Much Time Do We Waste On This Crap? (2.00 / 1)

Republicans are not honest.

I'd lose the friends.


by Bush Bites on Sun Aug 24, 2008 at 01:54:30 PM EST


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